Stephanie: 🎶Hello, and welcome to Season 2, Episode 10 of Expecto Podtronum, a podcast dedicated to all things Patronuses. 🎶

I’m your host, Stephanie.

Liz: I’m Liz.

Sidney: I’m Sidney and today we will be talking about buffalo.

Stephanie: Go Bills!

[Laughter]

Liz: Was not expecting that. Sorry.

Stephanie: Hey, New York! I have to say it at least once. 

Liz: Do you though?

Stephanie: The fan base gets very mad. I had an opportunity, If I didn’t seize it… I don’t want to be an outcast.

[Laughter]

Liz: Okay, well…

Sidney: What sport do they play?

Stephanie: They are a football team.

Liz: I knew that one. 

Sidney: What’s that?

Liz: That’s where Hailee Steinfeld’s new husband plays.

Sidney: I’m kidding. I’m from Alabama. I know what football is.

[Laughter]

Liz: Yeah, I was gonna say.

Stephanie: If any of us should have the best understanding of football, it’s you.

Sidney: I’ve watched a lot of it in my life.

Stephanie: Our little Southern Belle.

Liz: But you know, this isn’t a football podcast. [No it’s not] Thank goodness. It’s an animal Patronus podcast. 

Stephanie: If it was we all would be a little bit screwed. [Laughter]

Liz: Yeah. It’s an animal Patronus podcast. And we’re talking about buffaloes. Not to be confused with a bison. Who are sometimes called buffaloes due to colonialism. They’re two very different animals.

Sidney: Would you like to elaborate on that at all for our listeners?

Liz: Yes, so when I was double checking because growing up in Arizona, near Utah, where there are a lot of the bison at Yellowstone and stuff. It was drilled into me that they’re different, but I never knew why. 

In prepping for today’s episode, I looked and bison ended up being called buffaloes because when the explorers got to America, they were already familiar with the water buffalo we will talk about today. 

So they saw something here that looked similar and called it a buffalo. And it kind of stuck. Just like how they started calling Native Americans Indians because they thought they hit India. So, colonialism at its finest, my friends.

Sidney: Its finest. 

Stephanie: We come from a group of people that is so smart.

Liz: So we’re talking about buffalos.

Sidney: Speak for yourselves.

Stephanie: I mean, historically, sometimes I don’t know how we survived for this long.

Sidney: We humans or we white people?

[Laughter]

Stephanie: I was going humans but…[Laughter] sure.

Liz: Well, part of it we’ll discuss later on in this episode and you know we as humans got good at surviving because we hunted everything else to extinction.

Sidney: But that’s a conversation for an imaginary episode about bison and we are talking about buffalo.

Liz: But we may talk about bison later in this episode. Wink wink.

Sidney: Foreshadowing.

Stephanie: Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Liz: But for now, we’re gonna talk about water buffalo.

Stephanie: Yes. Bringing it back specifically to water buffalo. There are 74 different breeds of domesticated water buffalo, but a smaller number of wild buffalo. The articles that I have found have made a distinction between domesticated buffalo and wild buffalo. And we’re kind of going to be talking about both. 

Liz: Cool. 

Stephanie: Because it still has similarities. It’s just we’ve domesticated one. Colonialism.

Liz: Like cows, right? Because buffalo are bovines, right? So is it similar to how we domesticated cows? 

Stephanie: Probably.

Liz: Cool.

Stephanie: The domesticated water buffalo has been dubbed the living tractor of the East and has two subspecies, river and swamp. And the domesticated buffalo have been introduced to Europe, Africa, the Americas, Australia, Japan, and Hawaii.

Sidney: We do like a good tractor.

Liz: Okay. [Laughter] Alrighty.

Stephanie: The wild water buffalo is sometimes considered its own species compared to the domesticated water buffalo. The wild buffalo live in Southeast Asian swamps and forests.

Sidney: I don’t know why I’ve never thought of buffalo as a swamp creature. [Well] It definitely seems like a prairie thing.

Liz: That’s because where we are they are a prairie thing right? 

Sidney: Yeah.

Liz: Because we call bison colloquially buffalo, and bison are in the plains.

Sidney: Yeah, I’ve never seen buffalo in their natural habitat, I guess.

Stephanie: We haven’t seen a lot of things in their natural habitats. 

Liz: Yeah, yeah. 

Stephanie: Sorry, Sid, didn’t mean to make you sad.

[Laughter]

Liz: That truth bomb, here today.

Sidney: Look up the American chestnut tree if you want to be miserable. Carry on. 

Stephanie: Okay. 

Liz: I didn’t need that reminder. 

Sidney: Tidbit for later.

Stephanie: Both domesticated and wild water buffalo have coats that range from gray to black with off-white socks and two white chevrons on their neck. The domesticated water buffaloes do tend to have more white on them. [Cool] 

Male wild water buffalo are almost 10 feet long, which is about three meters, and six and a half feet tall, which is two meters. So they’re 10 feet long, six and a half feet tall. or three meters long, two meters tall. 

Liz: Cool.

Stephanie: And they weigh roughly 2,600 pounds or 1,200 kilograms. 

Liz: They sound like they’re pretty dense [Hefty] or have a lot of dense muscle probably going on there.

Stephanie: Hefty boys.

Sidney: Yeah, that’s why they’re work animals.

Liz: Yep, that’s why they’re the tractors, I guess.

Sidney: Tractor. I appreciate you saying that the right way. 

Liz: Tractor. 

Sidney: Tractor. You gotta say it with a little twang. 

Liz: Twang.

Stephanie: And females tend to be about two thirds of the size of the males. They are a little bit smaller.

Sidney: Compared to your…

Liz: Yeah, but even two thirds of that size, that’s still a lot! That is a large animal. I can already see… 

Stephanie: They’re not tiny.

Liz: I can already see why it could make a good Patronus, it could just run over the Dementor with that kind of size.

Sidney: Yeah.

Stephanie: Mm-hmm. Their hooves are large and splayed with two flexible joints to allow for easier walking through deep mud.

Sidney: Oh, [Cool] we missed an opportunity here. The water buffalo are one Stephanie tall.

Liz: [Laughter] They are! 

Stephanie: They are a little more than one Stephanie tall but yes. Holy [censored]

Liz: They are a little more than one Stephanie tall. 

Stephanie: I’m tall, that’s tall. 

Liz: You are tall. 

Stephanie: I didn’t even realize that at first. [That’s like] I’m used to me being tall, so to think of other things…

Liz: That’s a foot and a half on me.

Sidney: But [So] if I say that you are as tall as a water buffalo, that puts it into perspective for you? 

Stephanie: Yeah. [Laughter]

Liz: As tall as a female water buffalo.

Stephanie: It does. 

Liz: It’s wild.

Sidney: Well, she’s taller than a female water buffalo.

Liz: Oh yeah, guess I can’t do two-thirds math right now.

Stephanie: I can’t do two-thirds math ever.

Liz: Like the author, I’m also not great with numbers.

Sidney: Well, two thirds of six is four.

Liz: Okay, so I’m taller than a female water buffalo.

Sidney: Yes. [Laughter]

Stephanie: I’m assuming ratios have to come into play with this a little bit.

Sidney: Okay…

Liz: Yeah, yeah.

Sidney: Important to note that none of us have degrees in math.

Stephanie: No, I have an English degree.

Liz: My degree is not in math.

Sidney: I almost had a math degree but I dropped out two weeks into Calculus II.

Liz: That’s valid. So, I want to hear more about that mud.

Sidney: Yeah, little swamp creatures.

Liz: That makes sense though, right? [M-hmm] So they’re not getting stuck everywhere.

Stephanie: Especially…

Sidney: They got four wheel drive.

Stephanie: Four wheel drive for animals. 

Sidney: Yeah, it’s a tractor with four wheel drive. 

Stephanie: One task they were used for is plowing rice paddies and fields like that. 

Liz: That makes sense.

Stephanie: Which are very wet. [Yeah] So it makes sense that their feet are good for walking through mud.

Liz: Yeah, that makes sense. 

Stephanie: Both sexes do have horns that curve up into a crescent shape. The record length for horns is about six and a half feet or two meters, but domesticated buffalo horns are much shorter or non-existent because they don’t need it to protect themselves as much.

Liz: I wonder if too with the domesticated if they’ve done any kind of disbudding or dehorning over time, like how people do with pet goats or with cows here. And there’s [M-hmm] definitely been selective breeding, at play to make those ones smaller and stuff. I wonder.

Stephanie: That definitely, definitely makes sense.

Sidney: The wild ones, some of them have that horn shape that kind of reminds me of the mustache craze in like the 2010s, [Yeah] early 2010s. They kind of have that shape [Yeah] with the curly handlebar mustache. [M-hmm] [Yeah, I agree with that] And some of them have much longer horns, almost like a longhorn, like a longhorn cow.

Liz: Nice.

Stephanie: Either way, they’re pointy.

Liz: So we don’t want to get caught on the wrong side of one is what I am hearing. 

Sidney: No.

Stephanie: I would recommend not.

Sidney: They will hurt you.

Liz: Alright.

Stephanie: You will probably be gored.

Sidney: Yes, I have been attacked by a pygmy goat before and that will really hurt you. [Oh yeah] If it’s four times as big, [Yeah] you are going to the hospital.

Liz: That’s fair, that’s fair. 

Stephanie: If you make it that far.

Liz: We had a goat he was taller than me, he was probably five and a half, and he had a really bad horn scur thing happen and he got me pinned between a fence one time and it was not the best.

Sidney: It will hurt.

Liz: Yeah. All right.

Stephanie: Poor Liz. Poor little Liz.

Liz: PSA don’t get gored by the buffalo. Do not approach. 

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Sidney: Hey, it might make it a really good Patronus though.

Liz: True. [No boop] Yeah.

Stephanie: Mothers give birth to one baby per gestation period and that gestation period is 10 to 11 months. Five to eight closely related cows and offspring do live in a group together while the young males live off in bachelor groups. Feral herds can have up to 30 animals in it. 

Liz: That’s kind of cool.

Stephanie: Wild buffalo are diurnal and nocturnal. They primarily feed on grass and sieges at night and… 

Sidney: Wait, I have to clarify. Do you mean that some of them are diurnal and some of them are nocturnal or they’re both at once?

Stephanie: I think they are both because they primarily eat at night. [So like] During the day they hide and wallow in mud. 

Sidney: When do they sleep?

Liz: Yeah, when do they sleep? 

Stephanie: Probably in the mud? I don’t know, it didn’t tell me when they slept.

Liz: They have a lot going on. They’re active both day and night is what I’m hearing.

Stephanie: Am I making [censored] up, Sid? Are you fact checking me? Please fact check [I am Fact checking] me, because I feel like I’m making [censored] up. 

Liz: Yeah, fact check it. It’s really cool they live in bachelor groups. I think that’s neat.

Stephanie: All the boys go off in one area.

Sidney: Oh wow! Okay. Buffalo feed and travel during the morning, evening, and night and they lie in the shade for the rest of the time and they sleep for about one hour every day. 

Liz: WOW!

Sidney: So yeah, they just don’t sleep.

Liz: That’s wild. I wish I could thrive on [Yeah] an hour of sleep.

Stephanie: Right. [Wow] Imagine all the things we could get done, [I know!] all the podcasts we could host, [I know!] the books we could write.

Liz: That would be so interesting. That’s wild. [Yeah] And to do all the stuff they get done. 

Sidney: Yeah. I mean, that is definitely really interesting to me and I am curious to see what we can pull out of that for meaning as far as Patronus goes.

Liz: That [Yeah] doesn’t give perseverance, I don’t know what does.

Stephanie: Literally.

Liz: Wow. 

Sidney: Persistence, definitely.

Liz: Persistence, yeah, definitely.

Stephanie: During the day when they’re taking their little siestas, they wallow in the mud, shoveling it on themselves with their horns to hide themselves from biting insects and keep cool, or they will lay in water up to their nostrils.

Liz: Nice.

Sidney: So they’re having a beach day every day, just hanging out by the pool.

Stephanie: Sleep for one hour and live at the beach.

Liz: No. They’re having a mud spa day everyday.

Sidney: Yeah. Spa day.

Stephanie: Spa day.

Liz: You know, one of those mud bath things. Smart though.

Stephanie: I would hide in mud too if I had insects biting at me all day.

Liz: Yeah, and to try to keep cool. Yeah.

Stephanie: Mm-hmm. They also have an acute sense of smell. So if they detect a predator, the group will band together and move forward with their horns lowered.

Liz: Cool. 

Sidney: What’s the Roman army phalanx? It’s like a phalanx. They band together with their shields out and march forward. [Ohh] [M-hmm] The Roman army strategy. The words. Okay, carry on. 

Liz: I don’t remember what it’s called either, but I can picture it in my head.

Stephanie: I know what you’re talking about. They don’t lock their horns together.

Sidney: You can disregard that one. [Laughter] I’m not going to Google it. Carry on. They lock their horns together.

Stephanie: I don’t think they’ll actually lock them. They’ll just go next to each other and put their heads down.

Sidney: Yeah, and their horns actually grow all the way to the middle of their heads on a lot of the wild ones. So the top of their head is protected too. It’s like a little helmet.

Liz: Oh, nice.

Stephanie: Aww, safety first! Domestic buffalo can live to be about 40 years old, but wild buffalo obviously don’t live as long.

Liz: Happens.

Sidney: Womp womp.

Stephanie: Womp womp.

Sidney: There’s a lot of information out there as well about the symbolism and folklore and mythology surrounding buffalo. Generally, they represent a few different concepts. The first one being abundance and prosperity. They’re symbols of gratitude for life’s abundance and the resources that Earth has given. 

Symbols of strength and endurance, as we’ve discussed a little bit. They are very strong and persistent. They symbolize an inner fortitude and the ability to overcome challenges. We’ve talked about their perseverance, how they keep going and going. 

They’re very patient. They live for a very long time. Imagine a life of 40 years worth of wallowing in mud. That’s a lot of patience to me [A lot of mud]. The ability to endure life’s trials and just enjoy the abundance of the world around you. 

They also represent unity and community, the importance of cooperation and collective wellbeing because they do live in these community groups and help take care of each other. They’re all strong individually, but through working in harmony with each other, they can be even stronger. 

Such as how they respond to predators when they all march forward together like a little army of soldiers with their shields out, whatever that is called. I don’t know why I went here again. I keep thinking it. 

Okay, so in China, the buffalo is a symbol of hard work, diligence, and prosperity. Sort of going back to that universal concept we talked about of abundance and of persistence. They also symbolize wealth and stability, particularly in farming cultures. 

Having that working animal that can help you keep the land cultivated and being able to have that stability is a big deal. It also has a lot of associations in India and different cultures within that region. 

Some regions consider the buffalo a sacred animal. Some consider it associated with the harvest and with fertility. Again, for obvious reasons, it’s related to the harvest and farming and abundance. 

But one other interesting fact is that the Hindu god Yama, who is the god of death, is depicted riding a black buffalo. So in this case, it’s representative of justice and of the cycle of life and death.

This would be one of those cultures where it is considered more of a sacred animal. Very distinguished. Yama ensures that souls are guided to their rightful place in the afterlife on this trusty buffalo steed. 

In some other cultures, it’s also a symbol of power and protection. And finally, the buffalo also has several different connotations in different African cultures. In some, it’s a symbol of power and protection known for its strength and ferocity. It’s a guardian animal, a protector. 

In some regions of Africa, the groups will use buffalo horns in rituals that are meant to invoke protection, strength, and defense. The horn is traditionally a symbol of power in many different cultures across the world, power and protection. And so this makes a lot of sense. 

Generally, the takeaway here is that the buffalo means strength, abundance, protection, and hard work, diligence, and connection with the land. 

Liz: Cool. 

Sidney: So Liz, what do you think that all of this might mean for someone who has the buffalo as their Patronus?

Liz: Well, with everything we’ve learned so far, the buffalo and kind of about their personality, definitely looking for someone who’s social. They form strong bonds with people around them. Even if they’re a single dude, right? They’re off in a bachelor group somewhere, they’re not a lone ranger by any means.  

They are sensitive and probably a bit protective from what we’ve heard, and definitely persistent and hardworking and strong in every sense of the word, not just physical strength. Because I don’t know about you guys, but it would take a lot of mental strength for me to be thriving off of an hour of sleep a day.

Sidney: Absolutely. [M-hmm] I am NOT thriving right now and I had seven hours of sleep. [Laughter]

Liz: Yeah, I would not be thriving on an hour. I don’t think I’d be thriving sitting in mud all day.

Sidney: You don’t want the spa treatment every day?

Liz: Not a mud spa treatment. I don’t know. I’ve never really been to a spa, so…

Sidney: Have you been to a swamp? Apparently they’re basically the same thing.

[Laughter]

Liz: I mean, I can’t remember the last time I was at a swamp..

Sidney: I was at one two days ago.

Liz: Oh perfect! So you have first hand experience for us. [Laughter]

Sidney: Yeah, people don’t realize that this region is actually not a temperate climate. I live in a subtropical region. [Wow] That is the classification. Went to the local swamp this weekend. Had a lot of fun. I saw some birds.

Liz: Well, I think that leads us perfectly to Patronus Feud.

Stephanie: Patronus Feud! 

Liz: And the air horns.  [airhorn noises]

Stephanie: Thank you, not just me.

Liz: Yeah.

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Liz: We had a lot of great ideas for who a Patronus could be in the last episode with the Occamy. But I think we have some great options to feud with here in this episode starting with the European Bison. Whatttt! I told y’all bison would come back into this. 

I am not [Full circle] going to give as long a description about the bison, but some of the need to knows about the European Bison. They are the heaviest, which I feel doesn’t come as a surprise now that we’ve heard about how large water buffalo are. 

They were nearly hunted to extinction, which tracks [Awww] with how people and humans can be sometimes in history. Thanks to captive breeding programs and the 2010s, their population numbers are growing. There’s a lot of small pockets of them in Europe, mostly the Poland region. There’s a lot of really tiny, little pockets of them.

Stephanie: Are they wild still or are they domesticated?

Liz: They’ve been breeding them in these captive programs and then releasing them into the wild to try to repopulate, you know? 

Stephanie: Gotcha.

Liz: Yeah. They are one of the national animals of both Belarus and Poland, which I think is really cool. And in terms [It definitely is] of what makes it a bit different from a buffalo is it doesn’t really defend its territory from others. 

Which to me means it may not be a great Patronus. We especially talked a lot about that with the Occamy last episode about territorial-ness and protectiveness. Not really seeing that with the European bison. 

Stephanie: Yeah.

Liz: Yes, thank you.

Stephanie: Its horns are much smaller too. 

Liz: They are, yeah. 

Stephanie: Looking at this image that Sid just dropped in for us.

Sidney: I had to look up an image comparison because I have this is actually what we’re looking at right now is an American bison. But the European bison is basically the same thing. It looks a little bit more like a cow than like the bison that we’re used to seeing. 

So the buffalo, we know what a water buffalo looks like. We know what a bison looks like. Bison have very huggable faces. I know that they’re one of the most dangerous animals in the world [Yeah] and they could kill you. 

If you haven’t seen that video of the newscaster who’s at Yellowstone and he sees [M-hmm] some bison coming toward him and he says, ‘not messing with you.’ You should go watch that. That’s very funny. 

But I know that they’re very dangerous, but they have such lovely faces that I want to give them a hug so desperately. 

Stephanie: They’re fuzzy!

Sidney: They look so fluffy. Yes!

Liz: They have so much of that like, [M-hmm] I don’t like to call it a mane because I feel like we associate manes with lions and cats. It’s like this huge collar, ruff of hair.

Sidney: Yeah, and some of them have that really sweet, precious face that Highland cows have that just makes them look so huggable. 

Some [M-hmm] European bison especially have that face. I just, I love them so much. They’re so cute. Again, I know that they’re some of the biggest animals in the world and they are pure muscle and terrifying, but they’re so cute.

Stephanie: Buffalo, scary. Bison kind of looks like the top half of a Minotaur. Intimidating, but boopable.

This freaking European one? I just want to squeeze it. It looks like a soft version of the Beast from Beauty and the Beast.

Liz: It does.

Sidney: Yes.

Liz: Yeah.

Stephanie: With less angry eyes. I feel like if the eyes were angry, it would look like Beast, but it doesn’t. And that is definitely boopable.

Liz: Can we argue that because the water buffalo is less boopable, it is a better Patronus.

Sidney: It’s probably more intimidating. I mean, [M-hmm] those horns are terrifying, I gotta say..

Liz: They are. They truly are.

Stephanie: It looks like it’s giving you some serious side eye in this image. 

Liz: It does! 

Stephanie: It is judging you. Hardcore.

Liz: Yes it is very much judging.

Stephanie: I definitely think a buffalo is a better Patronus than a bison.

Liz: Yeah, I agree with that. Alright, our second contender. and also our last contender is the Re’em. It is a magical ox. It’s in Fantastic Beasts and Where to Find Them. That is in North America and the far East. It’s known for its golden hide and its blood gives the drinker immense strength.

Sidney: I’m intrigued by that range. North America and the Far East. Did it cross over into Russia through Alaska?

Liz: Maybe. To me it was giving that the author was like, ‘well, this is where buffalo can be, but also this is where bison are, like in the U.S.’ I feel like she was trying to hit both at the same time, if that makes sense.

Stephanie: And we know what this creature’s magical classification is, the danger level.

Liz: Let me pull up its danger level. It is also a 4x like the Occamy. 

Stephanie: Okay. Interesting. 

Liz: I wanted to bring that up in terms of another magical bovine, since we don’t have a lot of magical creature Patronuses, and what we thought of the magical bovine against the water buffalo.

Sidney: I love that concept because bovines are universal. Everyone knows cows, everyone has cows, they’re all over the place. This is the only magical bovine that I think I’ve ever heard of, unless you know of some other magical cows or oxen or buffalo or bison or anything like that.

Liz: I think this is it. 

Sidney: I am a fan of it. 

Liz: I think [Yeah] this is the one.

Sidney: Let’s campaign for more of them.

Liz: But the fact that the whole blood gives the drinker immense strength thing to me really spoke to the strength of the animal… 

Stephanie: Could speak to the inner strength of the caster.

Liz: Yeah, and why that could make for a really good Patronus.

Sidney: Yeah, I think that’s really interesting because it seems like a combination between a little bit of vampirism [M-hmm ]and the lore that goes with unicorns [Yes] in the Harry Potter universe. That it will extend your life. But rather than extending your life, it’s giving you an immediate power boost. I’m intrigued by that. 

It also seems very much like something that would happen in Greek mythology. [Right] I know there are a lot of stories about sacred cows and special, not to get ahead of us here, but the golden fleece [M-hmm] you know tails like this.

Stephanie: That’s what was. I was trying to think of it. I’m like, ‘no, it’s not the golden wool. It’s not golden…’ I was just about to look that up.

Liz: Fleece. 

Sidney: Tell us more. 

Stephanie: That’s where my head went.

Liz: So I feel this could be a contender as a Patronus.

Stephanie: I feel it’s definitely a better Patronus than a buffalo or I’m sorry, a bison.

Sidney: Yeah.

Liz: I just thought that was interesting that instead of going with this magical creature that she could have, you know, that she created and developed, she went with water buffalo or what assumedly is water buffalo. She could be attempting to say like the European bison, but calling it a buffalo.

Stephanie: Also real quick, don’t think the author invented the Re’em. [I don’t know if she did] Did she? Sorry, I did a quick Google and I saw that it was also mentioned in the Hebrew Bible.

Liz: Oh nice. 

Stephanie: So she probably [She adapted it ] adapted it. But she did not create this one.

Liz: I feel like that gives it all the more reason to include it.

Sidney: Right. That would have been nice to have a little bit more of a broader range of cultural inspiration to pull from. 

Liz: It would have been, yes.

Sidney: I think it’s possible that she just said buffalo and didn’t specify because she wanted people to interpret that however they wished as the water buffalo, the American bison, the European bison, whatever. I don’t super care, pick whichever one you feel attached to. 

Because we know that she had a tendency to just say things and let people fill in the blanks and ascribe genius to her. Not to be mean, but it has happened before.

Stephanie: Yeah, I mean, I guess I can feel that was her logic for a lot of the animals on the list due to the lack of specification that we constantly are coming up with and having to guesstimate.

Sidney: I think by now we’ve put a lot more thought into this list than she ever did. [Laughter] I guess we can wrap it up. Yeah, I think the Re’em would have been a really good pick for a Patronus. I don’t really want to kick the buffalo off the list, but I would have liked to see this magical bovine in this spot on the list. What do you think, Steph?

Stephanie: No, I agree. I definitely think that it would have been a good addition. I think the buffalo makes a good Patronus. I do think adding this additional magical creature would even enhance the list further. 

But that is our conversation for this week. Join us next week when we talk about the Osprey. 

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Sidney: I’m Sidney.

Liz: I’m Liz.

Stephanie: I’m Stephanie and remember a piece of chocolate a day will keep the Dementors away.

“Food Show” by Music_For_Videos, Anastasia Kir — “Movie Score A” by DHy-Nez, Denita Smith — “Excuse me Cat” by geoffharvey, Geoff Harvey — “The Classical” by Music_For_Videos, Anastasia Kir — “Uplifting Celebration” by makesoundmusic, Mike Kripak — “Mysterious Music: Light Mystical Background Music for Short Video/Vlog” by White Records, Maksym Dudchyk — “Telling the Story” by goeffharvey, Geoff Harvey