Stephanie: 🎶Hello, and welcome to Season Two, Episode 7 of Expecto Podtronum, a podcast dedicated to all things Patronuses.🎶

I’m your host Stephanie.

Lucy: I’m Lucy.

Carolyn: And I’m Carolyn and today we’ll be talking about the connection between twins and Patronuses.

Lucy: Yes, we will. Now, in the actual books, we have three confirmed sets of twins. Of course, we have our icons, Fred and George Weasley. We also have the only confirmed twins to be put in different houses, which are the Patil twins, Padma and Parvati. 

We also have two new kids on the block. We have Luna Lovegood’s sons, Lysander and Lorcan Scamander. And yes, the Scamander name is connected to Newt Scamander because they are Newt Scamander’s great, great grandsons. We also have two non-confirmed twins that we will discuss later in the episode.

Stephanie: Before we really start diving into twins themselves, I want a quick yes or no poll from you guys. Should twins have the same Patronus?

Carolyn: No.

Lucy: See, I’m on the fence about that. I say no because eventually, anybody who’s a twin, they’ll have their own personality, they’ll have their own likes and dislikes. But I do see them at a younger age having a similar Patronus because that’s all they know in life is just themselves before, and their partner in crime, I guess you can say, before they go off to school or university and they find different friends and hobbies.

Carolyn:  Okay, in my experience, the only identical set of twins I have ever known is my grandmother, I don’t know what she was like as a kid. But I have twins in my family, and even at a young age, they are not the same when they’re fraternal twins. They’re very different people. They’re very close. There’s a very close connection and bond. I don’t want to sit there and imply that that’s not the case.

Lucy: That’s why I wonder if that will be the case for Patronuses because there is that bond inside of you that maybe could have any impact but I guess we’ll find out in this episode because we do have a set of twins that do have the same Patronuses and they were 17, I believe, when they casted those.

Stephanie: Those are also identical. Well, this is a whole big thing we’re going to get into later. I also have my own theory of how it should be, and I will say that as we talk about the Weasley twins. But first, Carolyn’s done some research into the symbolism of twins.

Carolyn: Well I mean, it wouldn’t be an episode if I didn’t deep dive into some of  that a little bit at this point. 

[Laughter]

Lucy: I do believe it’s needed for this episode [mm-hmm] because we need to know anything to do with twins. And we don’t really have a Patronusdy where we can, well guess we could deep dive into the genes.

Carolyn:  But that gets really sciencey, people are gonna get bored. I think it’s already pushing it.

[Laughter]

Stephanie: We got a little bit of science down below. A little bit.

Carolyn:  Okay, this was out of an article which I did put the link in, so it’ll end up in the show notes I’m sure. A lot of the symbolism slash spiritualism depending on how you interpreted the way the article kept diving into it was that twins are kind of dual aspects of the personality. 

They’re often seen as a powerful symbol of duality across many cultures and they’re all seen as when you have twins it’s seen as signs of spiritual growth and transformation. I got a lot of yin and yang vibes with balance of opposites that twins kind of embody a perfect balance between two opposing forces. Things like light and darkness, male and female, conscious versus unconscious. 

Twins often will imply unity in a lot of ways, working together in harmony. I think we get a pretty prime example of that in the twins. When I say the twins, I mean Fred and George. The article I found had a lot of spiritual overlap as well. It kept talking about things like the bond of twins and that bond transcends the physical bond that you’ll see with other siblings. 

They’re often seen as a soul connection where each twin complements and supports the other in finding and embodying that balance. In my own experience, I have cousins who are twins. They are fraternal and they are also a boy and girl. 

And when they were babies, they would not be able to go to sleep unless they were physically touching each other in some way. Could be hands. They would reach their hands through the cribs to reach out and make sure they were holding on to each other in some capacity.

I wouldn’t be surprised if more people had that in their family anyway. There were a couple of main spiritual aspects that the article kept touching on. One was the soul connection believed to be formed before inception and they thought that led to a strong sense of empathy and connection. [Makes sense]

Carolyn:  Mirror souls reflecting each other’s thoughts, emotions, and spiritual growth.

Stephanie: You know, there is actually a type of twin called a mirror twin, and my mom is actually part of a set of mirror twins, identical mirror twins, where she is righty, she does everything on her right, while my aunt is a lefty. {Oh, that’s cool] So they would be perfect mirrors of each other.

Lucy: That’s an easy way to tell them apart.

[Laughter]

Stephanie: They look nothing alike to me, quite obviously, even though I got mom one and mom two.

Carolyn:  I think that identical twins look more different than people realize if you really sit and look at them. I say that as someone who draws, picking up details that not everyone catches.

Stephanie: Yeah.

Carolyn:  One of the other ones they were talking about was a karmic bond, that they kind of became twins because they shared a past life together. They already had a sense of familiarity and comfort so they were born together for a purpose or as a purpose on purpose. 

Synchronicity so meaningful coincidences more often than others. I did not really understand the synchronicity part of the spirituality other than twins would maybe be in sync, I didn’t really know how to explain that one when I was writing the notes. 

Another one was twin flames, in that they are considered two parts of the same soul. I think that one would apply more with identical than fraternal, personally. But you never know. And then there was telepathy where some twins will talk about being able to sense and feel each other’s thoughts without any verbal communication. 

Lucy: I feel this is Fred and George, that one.

Carolyn: Yeah, I feel that one is Fred and George too. Guardian spirits was the last one and they were talking about how each twin kind of is each other’s guardian and they’re born together I guess for a reason in that respect. Protecting and guiding each other and helping them through life. That one really felt very Fred and George to me because that one really, they do really feel like the two of them kind of…

Stephanie: Balance each other out.

Carolyn: Balance each other out and help each other out.

Stephanie: Here you go. For this poor woman, we’re going to give her two crazy children with no counter. [Yeah] It would be insane if there wasn’t… I like that guardian idea.

Carolyn:  Yeah, I felt like guardians and telepathy were closest to them. And then there were a couple of different cultures where they were talking about how twins symbolize. In Native American cultures, the birth of twins was seen as a sign of powerful spiritual energy, believed to have a sacred connection to the spiritual world. 

In ancient Roman times, Romulus and Remus being the main draw there of why they see them the way they do. Twins raised by Lupa and credited with founding Rome. They balanced between the wild and civilized aspects of human nature to the Romans.

In African cultures, they said it very generically when they were reading, but then they mentioned this one culture, the Yoruba of Nigeria. They believed  twins possessed unique spiritual powers and can bring blessings or misfortune on their families.

Lucy: Wasn’t it like if you got pregnant with twins centuries ago, it was actually bad luck because the likelihood of you surviving was quite low? That could be wrong.

Stephanie: I’ve never heard that one.

Carolyn: If that’s a true thing it didn’t come up anywhere in this article. There were so many. This article seemed to have the most useful information so I didn’t really dig the other ones. I glanced through and yeah, this is parenting. [Laughter] I don’t know how this is spiritual. I mean it was weird the feedback I got when I did a search.

Stephanie: I feel medically that would make sense because mean, birth mortality rates were high [Yeah] in the past when you were having a single child, let alone two. I can definitely see it being a thing, though I do not believe we have any research at this moment to confirm that particular statement.

Carolyn: Yeah, but the Yoruba also have the highest rate of twin births in the world.

Lucy: Oh wow. 

Stephanie: Interesting. 

Carolyn: I found that interesting. They really feel they’re either a blessing or a curse apparently. [Laughter] Because they have a lot of them. And then the last cultural one that kind of kept coming up was that in Hinduism, the twin gods Ashwani Kumar. 

Stephanie: I feel that is two people. 

Carolyn: That was weird. It put it together, but I do feel they’re two people and I forgot to double check with my husband what he could tell me about it. But I’m pretty sure it’s Ashwani and Kumar and they were known as divine physicians and they symbolize the harmony of the celestial world. They are revered also for their ability to heal and rejuvenate.

Lucy: Yeah, I’ve just looked it up and everywhere’s putting them together, but it says they are known as twin gods. 

Carolyn: Yeah.

Lucy: They are one person there are two people but everywhere’s putting them as one person. I guess that falls into the whole theory. It’s like they are the same person, but they’re also two different, if that makes sense? 

Carolyn: Yeah and like I said, I meant to double check this while with my husband. This week with the end of school, things got a little crazy. And I forgot to double check, but they are twin gods. And that was all I had. Those were the big things on spiritualism and symbolism of twins.

Stephanie: Nice.

Lucy: Amazing. Now that we know a bit about twins, let’s dive into the ones we know of in the Wizarding World. Of course we have to start with the icons themselves, Fred and George Weasley. We already know from our previous episode that they have the same Patronus, which is a magpie. {Mh-mm] Now we already know my feelings on the magpie and the fact that it was the twins.

[Laughter]

Stephanie: If you don’t go back and listen to that episode.

Lucy: Go and listen to that one. Yeah, out of all the twins I do believe that these are the two that are most similar. We see it through the books and the films that they do everything together as kids. They dress the same. They basically are telepaths. We see that a lot, especially with their pranks. 

They’re able to know how each other moves and they are able to finish each other’s sentences as well, which is a big thing. A little party trick. But I also believe that after Fred sadly passes, moment of silence, that George’s Patronus does change. And since he’s had to learn to live by himself, learn to be his own person, I do believe that’s the case.

Stephanie: So, y’all know, these are my boys. I would die for these two characters. I cried. Years ago, when the Wizarding World of Universal started having their wands, they were only sold as a set. And I cried when I bought that set because I was so happy. 

Lucy: Are their wands the same? 

Stephanie: They were a set. I’m talking like 2019, before they made them interactive, because I wanted George’s wand interactive back then and that wasn’t an option. You could only buy the wands in a set together. I literally had this giant internal debate for the time I was down there.

Lucy: I am curious if it’s known if their wand cores are the same. 

Stephanie: Ohhhhh. I don’t remember.

Lucy: Because that’s interesting… because…please correct me if I’m wrong, but your wand core and your wand, everything to do with the wand, it chooses you, that’s pretty similar to a Patronus in a way. You can’t just pick any of them. It has some connection to you.

Stephanie: I say we put a pin in this and make this a bonus episode because I feel this is going to be a fascinating discussion. Wand cores and Patronus ties also. 

Lucy: I’m writing it down.

Stephanie: While it’s cute that they have the same Patronus, I feel it would make more sense for them to have complementary Patronuses. Instead of having the exact same thing because I’m going to get on my twin soapbox here because while I am not a twin, I have fraternal twin cousins, my mother is a twin, my boyfriend’s grandmother was a triplet. Basically, I am genetically screwed. [Laughter] I will probably have twins at some point in my life if I have children.

Carolyn: I was pretty sure I would. [Laughter] I was almost sure it was going to come for me. And I got lucky. My cousin did not.

[Laughter]

Stephanie: I’m like, ‘you know what, give me two at once, then I’m good.’ They got a best built-in best friend, good to go, don’t have to worry about it. But just because the two people share the same DNA does not mean they are the same person. While they have a lot of similarities, it does not mean their inner selves are identical and similar to the other person or their twin.

Lucy: We do find that Fred is more of the outgoing one out of the two twins, I would say. 

Stephanie: Yes, he is. 

Lucy: Where George is more, I wouldn’t say conservative, but a bit more in himself and just lets Fred do it all and he’s like, ‘oh yeah, I’ll come along.’

Stephanie: I feel he’s more on the ambivert scale where he can go either way, but I feel he does reflect slightly more towards the introvert where I feel he will get his recharge from the solace, whereas Fred gets his charge from people.

Carolyn: And I think George is the one, Or I should say this George always strikes me as the one who goes ‘are you sure?’ Before anything happens I don’t think it stops them by any stretch of the imagination, but he seems like the more level-headed of the two of them. [Yeah]

If there’s ever any question, Should we really do this? Is it a bad idea like there’s that scene in book four where Harry hears them like, “you sure we should send this?” And I’m pretty sure George was the calming one. 

Watch, rverybody’s going to come at me in the emails .. It’s going to be ‘no, no, no, you’re wrong.’ Fred was. But I’m pretty sure Fred was the one like, no, no, we got to send this because Ludo Bagman’s stiffing us. And George was the one going, ‘but this kind of sounds like we’re threatening him.’

Lucy: Which I feel makes a perfect pair because you need that one person that’s like, let’s do all this crazy stuff, but you need the safety person to go, ‘no’. But working together, you find that middle ground where it works.

Carolyn: That’s the kind of stuff that makes me say they wouldn’t have the same Patronus at all.

Lucy: But according to canon they do.

Carolyn: Canon can be wrong.

[Laughter]

Stephanie: I agree. I think it should be complimentary because I’m like, ‘what is Patronus?’ It is your internal essence. It is your secret self. It is your deepest thoughts, your most private fears. And while yeah, you have a twin, you probably share some of that. While their DNA is copied, their personalities are not. And I don’t think that’s…

Lucy: I do wonder if it’s because up until that point friend George hasn’t really had any major life changes. [Mm-hmm] It’s pretty standard. They go home. They go to school. They pretty much do the exact same thing. Where I can see them having I wouldn’t say now an exact Patronus, but maybe a similar Patronus.

Stephanie: Complimentary.

Lucy: Yes, but I can still see it being the same up until that point. But I reckon if Fred did survive the Battle of Hogwarts, their Patronus would have changed because they both would have gone through that traumatic change in their life, would have seen some stuff, would have worked out. And then plus they’re going into the adult world where, yes, they would have worked together, but then they’re meeting new people, they’re falling in love and everything. 

It’s a bit more separated. And then I would have felt their Patronus would have shifted to be probably completely different. again very similar. Which makes me think there was another episode we did back in season one with the family ties and the Patronuses and do we agree that families should have the same Patronus? I reckon this is in the similar ballgame.

Stephanie: Well, we can go back and listen to that episode. But again, my stance is no. But yeah, no, I think I don’t like that they’re the same. I don’t like anybody’s Patronus is the same. do not. Again, I understand why Harry’s…don’t like it. I’m digressing. Twins.

Carolyn: At some point you run out of animals, so there are going to be people with the same Patronus. It doesn’t have to be the same just because they’re twins. 

Stephanie: Yes.

Lucy: Which brings us on to our next set of twins Padma and Parvati Patil. Now, I believe these two have very different Patronuses. We do know that these twins were separated into different houses. We had Parvati in Gryffindor and Padma in Ravenclaw, which throughout the season, it’s very rare that siblings are separated into different houses, but it happens. And I feel like that since they were separated at 11 years old, this would have positively affected how they grew up. 

They were mixing with different people, they sort of had different experiences at Hogwarts, and over the seven years they definitely became different people quicker than Fred and George did. I do believe that these two would have very different Patronuses, or again, complimentary ones.

Stephanie: Yeah, I’m in the same boat. I feel these two would also have wildly, wildly different Patronuses. They don’t match personality-wise.

Lucy: Yeah, and we’ve got a future episode where we’re discussing who’s Patronuses they could be. You have to wait for a future one.

Stephanie: All right. We’re going to quickly touch on the last two sets of twins before touching on a couple of sets that we feel we need to bring up, but aren’t confirmed sets. So we’re going to talk about Lysander and Lorcan Scamander for a minute. There is not much known about these two other than them having been mentioned as Luna Lovegood’s sons. 

Lysander is based in Greek and his name means liberator or one who is freed. And Lorcan is of Irish origin, meaning Little Fierce One. Both of which I feel very much fit Luna and her personality and knowing how some of the names in the Wizarding World work, where everyone’s a little out there sometimes. 

I feel these are on brand for wizards and very much fitting for Luna and Little Newt Scamander’s kids. I know his name is Rolf, but I like Little Newt Scamander better.

[Laughter]

Carolyn: That’s his name forever and all.

Lucy: Yep.

Carolyn: Little Newt.

Stephanie: We know Luna was a Ravenclaw and I have no factual basis for this other than I think maybe fan fiction or fan things I saw on the internet. I could not find this confirmed anywhere. But a lot of people speculate Rolf was a Hufflepuff like Newt.

Lucy: I believe so as well.

Stephanie: And I also saw that, again, I don’t know if it’s canon. These two twins are super close, always together in a similar vein as Fred and George. However, people speculate they were also split up when they got to Hogwarts.

Lucy: Yeah I can see that. I think, yeah, I can see one being in Ravenclaw, one being in Hufflepuff. Or it could be one could be a Slytherin, one could be a Gryffindor, we don’t know.

Stephanie: We don’t know. But I definitely feel that knowing Luna’s personality and knowing Newt’s personality, I feel these are going to be very, because we don’t know Rolf, very strong, independent, beautifully quirky children [M-hmm]. And that’s one of the only things [I agree] I can say for certain.

[Laughter]

Lucy: Yeah, we don’t really have very much information on those, the Patil twins and the Scamander twins, but hopefully in a future episode we can bring them back up and discuss what Patronuses they could have.

Carolyn: I mean Padma and Parvati are even the same actors. Like they aren’t even kinda twins, in the movies. I mean identical. 

Stephanie: Could they be fraternal?

Carolyn: They are fraternal. 

Stephanie: And you can have the same gender fraternal twins. That is [Right] a thing that can actually happen.

Carolyn: Correct. That’s why part of me goes, ‘we don’t even know for sure that they’re identical. So let alone..’

[Transcribers Note: The Patil twins are described as identical in the books.]

Lucy: Another question for another day, does being identical and fraternal have an impact on your Patronus? Because Fred and George are identical and they have the same Patronus but I could not see Padma and Pavarti having the same Patronus.

Carolyn: Well, they don’t even, they didn’t even in the same house. But if they are actually, again, not knowing whether they’re even identical or not, if they are identical, then being in a different house also says a lot about them.

Lucy: Yeah, it’s about your personality and what you value.

Carolyn: Yup.

Stephanie: Really quick, Lucy had mentioned this set of twins being brought in in later movies to flesh out some background. [Yes] We’re tossing a quick note about Flora and Hestia Carrow. Correct? Those are their names?

Lucy: Yeah, they were the ones in the twins in the Slug Club and everybody’s like, ‘who are they?’ The blonde girls. And yeah, they were just brought into the films to bring more characters. Because the Slug Club has a fair few characters, I believe in the books,  [M-hmm].

It was easier to bring two people in instead of bringing a lot of people in. [Yeah] Because, just so you know, bringing kids on set does bring its own amount of complications because they can only film for a certain amount of time.

Stephanie: Other than that, other than them being in the Slug Club, we don’t know too much. know that they are Slytherins. They love green. They have some familial connection to Alecto and Amycus Carrow who become professors in the seventh book.

Carolyn: Those are the two that I was thinking of. Then I was like, ‘wait a minute, are they twins?”

Lucy: Yes, I thought that at first but then looked it up and no they’re just siblings. 

Stephanie: Very close siblings.

Lucy: But they do give off very twin energy.

Stephanie:  Yes. [Laughter]

Carolyn: Really do. In the creepiest way.

Stephanie: We do have a whole episode coming up later on this season about Death Eaters and Patronuses and their ability to cast them. But do we think that these kids with an unknown level of Death Eater connection would be able to cast a Patronus? Do they have happy enough memories?

Lucy: Just to reiterate, these kids are not in the books. They were created for the films [M-hmm]. And we do say that the films are their own version of canon [M-hmm]. I’d say if we’re going in the film world, I’d say, yes, they’ll be able to cast a Patronus. Cause I feel a lot of the kids were somewhat sheltered by the Death Eaters at Hogwarts. 

Stephanie: Unless you are a Malfoy. 

Lucy: Again, we don’t know. Yeah. But we don’t also know, I don’t think they are either Alecto or Amycus’s children, I think they might be cousins. 

Carolyn: Or a different sibling. Yeah.

Lucy: Different sibling? Yeah. 

Stephanie: I was thinking about an aunt/uncle probably.

Lucy: Yeah. And I do believe that even though there is that connection, there’s a lot of those families that were very neutral and did not want to be involved. I do feel they were one of those, but then it could have changed when it got to the seventh year when they were actually at the school. That would have been a very interesting time.

Carolyn: I would also say that just because your family’s got Death Eaters in it doesn’t mean your immediate unit is… I mean, I would argue, yeah, they probably could…. Without any other information.

[Laughter]

Stephanie: True that!

Lucy: And I believe having well, like we said, twins are known as built-in best friends. They’ll have a lot of happy memories together. Just as children just having fun. Not like Draco where he was very much a single kid in a family and he had no one else to sort of help him navigate through this.

Carolyn: They could have the kind of happy memories that Umbridge has. Where they shouldn’t really be happy but…

Stephanie: They are happy for them? 

Carolyn: For them they’re happy. 

[Laughter]

Stephanie: Yeah Lastly, before we do my summary question, if I want to circle back to after all of this, do we think they should still have the same Patronus? I do want to toss out a quick note about Fabian and Gideon Prewett, who are Molly Weasley’s brothers. 

There is a lot of speculation in the fandom that they are twins. However, there is no research that I was able to find that confirmed with 100 % certainty for me that they were twins.

Carolyn: Yeah, I don’t think there’s anything.

Stephanie: Identical twins do not run in families. Identical is when the egg splits. It does not run in families. It is not genetics. 

Carolyn: That’s an anomaly.

Stephanie: Just because Fred and George are identical twins does not give credence to the fact that Molly’s brothers- I’m like, punching myself making my points. It does not give credence to brothers being twins.

Lucy: I always thought they were twins and when I was first writing this down I had to really think hard I was like ‘are they actually?’ And then that’s where it came up with there was no confirmation. But I feel the fandom also believes that they are twins because they are somewhat named, Fred and George named after Fabian and Gideon. 

There is that connection but it could be because they are twins.[Yeah] But then you think about it and why wasn’t Bill or Charlie named after them? But I believe…Maybe Bill and Charlie were already alive [When the brothers passed?] when the brothers passed.

Carolyn: True, but they weren’t named literally after them. Here’s the case in my mind for they would be, why this would be more likely. Molly loved her brothers and seems like the impression you get is that she was very close with them. [M-hmm]

I don’t think she picked Fred and George as her kind of parallels to Fabian and Gideon just because Bill and Charlie were… because they don’t… if that were the case she would have literally named them Fabian and Gidon in my opinion. [Yeah]

As a mom who’s birthed children you are more inclined to do that after they’re dead, but you’re gonna do, if you’re gonna do that. Like my youngest, her middle name is the same as my grandfather’s because the year she was born was the year he passed. 

I wanted her to have a piece of his name and it was more important to me because he had passed. But I did not change it or make it something similar because of that. I literally grabbed the same name. I think this was her way of, well I had twins, my brothers were twins, I need to do something to keep my brothers alive for me. 

I also think they ended up probably having similar personalities. I realize this is all headcanon, [M-hmm] but it is pieced together from the fact that they got the same first letters and all that kind of stuff. I feel as a mom, you’re more inclined to do that kind of stuff [Yeah] when you see other things that connect for you.

Lucy:  I reckon they were sort of in the same boat as Bill and Charlie. They were very close siblings. fought, well Bill and Charlie didn’t go to war together, but they went to the war together. They were the brothers, I think the only brothers, I think there were only three Prewett’s. I could be wrong there.

Stephanie: I’m not sure. Those are the only three [Yeah] Molly, Gideon, and Fabian are the only ones that I’ve seen reference of.

Lucy: Yeah, but I believe they’re very close siblings that fought in the war that went through a lot in the war together and happened to die I believe around the same time or on the same day.

Carolyn: I think she would have done Fred and George sooner if it was meant to be something for her brothers, something similar to her brothers. [Yes] The fact that she was having twins is what I think triggered it for her.

Lucy: Yeah, yeah. But I do believe that Bill and Charlie and maybe Percy were already born around that time.

Carolyn: Yeah, but we also don’t know if Fred and George were born before. They’re also older than Harry [Yeah]. The war didn’t end until Harry.

Lucy: Yeah, and Ron would have been born before Harry, I can’t recall when they died.

Carolyn: Yes.

Stephanie: 1981. They died in 1981.

Carolyn: Harry’s born in ‘80.

Lucy: They had already been born yeah friend George would have already been born so would have ron which…

Carolyn: Which is why I think they are probably twins and they were close to her. That’s the trigger. The trigger is that they are also twins in my mind.

Stephanie: The twins were born in ‘78.

Carolyn: The fact that she had twins was what made her say, I need to name these ones after my brothers in some way, or connect to my brothers in some way. That’s where my…

Lucy: Their death wasn’t the reason she named them. I think it was just…

Stephanie: Or, I’ll point out it could just be a coincidence. 

Carolyn: Yeah, could also be a huge coincidence. 

[Laughter]

Stephanie: It could just be coincidence. 

Carolyn: We name dropped Fabian and Gideon long after Fred and George exist in terms of the writing. There’s also that.

Lucy: Yeah. 

Stephanie: Just throwing it out there. I mean, yeah, it’s a sweet idea. It could be [Mine is all headcanon] I agree the brothers are close. I think all the Prewett siblings were close, which is what prompted Molly to want to have a big family. 

But I don’t know. I don’t think they were twins. I don’t think Fred and George were necessarily named after them. I think it’s a happy coincidence and it’s cute, but [Yeah] nothing confirmed.

Carolyn: We don’t have any confirmation. Everything’s headcanon but that to me is why they would probably be twins too, that’s all. But I get you. I’m not gonna argue it, because it’s not.

Stephanie: It’s not enough facts to have a legitimate, fulll-blown argument (ie discussion) Actual discussion, let’s say discussion, because we’re not fighting.

Carolyn: No, we’re really not. 

[Laughter]

You have just as much evidence for your opinion as mine. Really, either one of us can be right.

Stephanie: Exactly. Nope, not at all. 

But again, real quick wrap up. Has our stance changed at all? Does anybody think differently than they did from when we started this episode?

Lucy: No, I still believe that as probably little children they could have been the same but as adults and after life experience, either they’ll be very similar or completely different. I wouldn’t say they’ll be exactly the same.

Carolyn: I still think there’s enough uniqueness that they could but shouldn’t, wouldn’t necessarily have the same.

Stephanie: Okay, I still believe complementary not identical or not the same.

Lucy: You can join us next week when we talk about the Capuchin Monkey. 

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Carolyn: And goodbye from me!

Stephanie: Remember, a piece of chocolate a day will keep the dementors away.

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